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Steven Rothstein & Yamika Ketu of the Ceres Accelerator for Sustainable Capital Markets are transforming the workings that govern capital markets in order to reduce the financial impacts of climate change. Tune in to learn more about their recent research & anticipated changes on the horizon.

Date: 11/29/2022
Guest:

Steven Rothstein & Yamika Ketu

About episode

If you look at climate change as a systems problem (which it is), it doesn’t take long to see the important role of finance. Yes, there’s phenomenal growth in ESG investing, alongside funding in clean energy and climate tech. However, overall, our financial system has failed to factor in climate risks and climate impacts. According to the climate disclosure nonprofit CDP, just 1% of companies provide the information that investors need for assessing if they have credible plans for mitigating risks and transitioning to a low-carbon future. Large greenhouse gas emitters have easy access to capital, yet companies are incentivized to adopt a short-term view, prioritizing quarterly earnings over long-term considerations like the health and safety of their employees, customers, and communities. 

So what can be done about this? Not many people have the expertise or network to think about transforming finance. That’s where an ambitious organization called Ceres comes in. Ceres works with large investors and corporate boards to create systemic change. 

In this episode, we hear from two members of Ceres’ Accelerator for Sustainable Capital Markets about the work they’re doing to reshape the role of finance in climate change. Steven Rothstein is the Managing Director and brings decades of experience to this question, and Yamika Ketu is a Senior Associate who recently authored a report that looks at the climate lobbying of S&P 100 companies. 

Tune in to hear about Ceres’ history and growth, the expected SEC rule change that could have dramatic impacts, findings from their recent research, and of course, ways that you can get involved. Here we go.

In today’s episode, we cover:

  • [3:58] What is Ceres & how it got started
  • [5:24] The scoop on the Ceres Accelerator for Sustainable Capital Markets
  • [6:53] Yamika’s role & what she’s aiming to do
  • [7:45] Why there’s a need to invest in changing capital markets
  • [10:16] The SEC rule change that would require companies to disclose climate risks
  • [12:39] Public comments & sentiments around the proposed SEC rule change
  • [15:08] Pressure for organizational change
  • [16:38] The resistance & take-off in changing capital markets 
  • [19:13] Ceres’ recent analysis & report on the lobbying activities of S&P 100 companies
  • [22:03] What sustainability leaders can do to ensure their work isn’t being undone by partner associations
  • [25:15] What Steven sees as a home run for accelerating change
  • [26:49] Events that are changing the system in a dramatic & rapid way
  • [29:35] What investors & participants in today’s financial system can do 
  • [31:02] Addressing greenwashing through another proposed SEC rule
  • [32:09] Companies that stand out based on their level of commitment & action
  • [34:08] Other work that Ceres is doing & ways for listeners to get involved

What is Ceres & how it got started

Ceres is a nonprofit organization transforming the economy to build a just and sustainable future for people and the planet. The organization was formed after the Exxon Oil Valdez Spill when a group of investors came together saying they need to understand more about the environmental practices of companies out of fiduciary responsibility. Steven explains that if Exxon had had a double-haul tanker, they wouldn’t have spilled the oil, it would have saved the company lots of money, preventing a big impact on the stock price, and it would have been better for the environment. Since then, the network of investors has grown and now represents $60 trillion of assets under management, encompassing some of the largest players like BlackRock, State Street, and others, and lots of small and medium-sized ones, too. Ceres helps them on their sustainability journey to set net-zero plans and engage in policy work at the state, national, and international levels. Additionally, they work with some of the largest Fortune 500 companies, on Capitol Hill, and in 17 state capitals in the United States. 

The scoop on the Ceres Accelerator for Sustainable Capital Markets

The Ceres Accelerator, which Steven and Yamika are specifically involved with, aims to integrate sustainability into the capital market through corporate governance and financial information. It was founded by the leadership of Mindy Luber, the board, and others. The team has grown to 23 members. Steven explains that corporate governance is a key focus area for them as their theory of change is that to do something big, the Board of Directors has to be involved. This work involves training boards, getting them to think about topics, writing articles, and corporate lobbying. Their second big bucket of work is in the financial sector. As Steven points out, if you want to move society to have net-zero plans, everything works on having debt, equity, and insurance. He mentions that affecting the debt, banks, equity, and investors ensures that things can move a lot faster, so the Accelerator engages with these stakeholders, both on voluntary efforts and with regulatory efforts from the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC), Federal Reserve, and states.

The SEC rule change that would require companies to disclose climate risks

Steven says that you can’t manage a problem if you can’t measure the problem first. He says there’s a need to understand how big the issue is and what the levers are to change it. So in companies, it’s critical to have consistent climate disclosure. He reveals investors have been asking for decades and they want to know what the risks are, so they know where to put their money. Another point mentioned is that the U.S. is lagging behind in this process; there are no eight countries that have mandatory corporate climate disclosure in place. The SEC, after lots of discussion with the public, issued a draft rule this past March that will require public companies to disclose some environmental information on climate risks in their reporting. It’s still unclear with the exact requirements will be, but Steven hopes a rule will arrive in the coming weeks.

Ceres’ recent analysis & report on the lobbying activities of S&P 100 companies

Yamika recently authored a Ceres report looking at the level of alignment between climate commitments and statements on emissions reductions from companies and their engagement in climate policy. The assessment covers both direct advocacy and indirect advocacy through trade associations. She’s found that a lot of the companies have the right processes in place in terms of assessing climate risks. Most of them have set either net-zero or emissions reduction targets that have been disclosed, and see climate change as a material risk in their 10K filings. Many companies also have pretty comprehensive board oversight of these risks and the decision-making processes that are happening. On the other hand, Yamika explains that only 50% of companies have engaged directly in climate policy. It’s a significant improvement from the last time Ceres did the benchmark in 2021, which was about 10% of companies, but at the same time, 29% of companies are still lobbying against climate policy. The majority of them have not taken any steps to address the misalignment between them, their trade associations, and their positions on climate policy. This is significant for companies to consider as they have the right mechanisms, systems, and strategy in place to address the emissions reduction curve, but they are in essence working against themselves and sabotaging their strategy by being members of these trade associations or paying into trade associations that are obstructive against climate policy. 

Addressing greenwashing through another proposed SEC rule

Concerns about greenwashing are valid. Steven says that the SEC is working on another rule to address greenwashing on ESG, and Ceres submitted comments a few months ago. He says that they think there should be a common set of rules, just as there is with other elements in terms of labeling. Today, there are funds that claim to be clean or green, yet come to find out that they’re really invested in fossil fuels – that’s greenwashing. Steven explains that by having a common set of rules, a definition that has to be public, or at least for funds to announce how they’re defining clean or green, or whatever it might be, then you as a consumer can make the informed decision that affects the purchasing of your food and other products, as well as where you invest your money.

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